Dan - Come Shine Your Light

by **Observateur** » 04 Apr 2012, 12:34

daniele831 wrote:You forgot to explain the difference between the floor and the ground.

And the fact that storeowners don't own the streets, either. :lol:

by **Ellen** » 04 Apr 2012, 12:34

lonestar wrote:
3. benches in front of the food cart. why would someone admit to moving the benches, give me a break, HELLO? are you serious. this guy thinks he owns that corner -- NOT TRUE -- vendors are mobile, mobile be the operative word here. HE DOES NOT OWN THAT CORNER, HE CAN FIND ANOTHER CORNER, may be should try 13th ave or anywhere in borough park. Wait, you won't find a street vendor on 13th ave in borough park, I wonder why -- BECAUSE THE STOREOWNERS STAND BY EACH ONE ANOTHER and won't have it.

so wait, do you own that corner? Is it up to you to decide who does what on that corner?

by **lonestar** » 04 Apr 2012, 12:48

i never said I owned the corner -- WAKE UP!

I can't wait for the knock-off vendors to set up shop somewhere on 3rd ave. i understand this neighborhood is changing and is diversified ethnically speaking. Not the issue, stay on track here.

i for one know I spend every $$ i make in the same community I live and pay taxes.

and since when is standing on a street corner and getting hit with a halal cart a crime (while standing and talking to Vincent Gentile). When did L* become a bully. because we want to get rid of the street vendor. Most of my customers DO NOT eat street meat, except maybe the asshats at the end of the night to drunk to realize they are eating mystery meat off the street.

what is halal meat anyway? do they cut the necks of these lambs and chickens and let them bleed out unhumanely as reported?

by **VirginiaDave** » 04 Apr 2012, 12:50

I think the carts should move from place to place sitting in front of homes of the folks who support them. That would make everyone happy. Please post your addresses so he can put you on the schedule. We can post a location schedule at the corner of 5th and 86th. Problem solved.

by **Observateur** » 04 Apr 2012, 12:51

There's a "Restricted Streets" link (to a PDF) down the page at
http://www.nyc.gov/portal/site/business ... cachetoken
If a location/time isn't on that list and if the vendor heeds location-specific regs (distance from building.entrances and curb, etc.), then he/she is legally located.

by **Observateur** » 04 Apr 2012, 13:27

lonestar wrote:I can't wait for the knock-off vendors to set up shop somewhere on 3rd ave.

Funny, "maria k" said that too -- and it's still irrelevant. Illegal vendors of illegal goods aren't the equivalent of a legal vendor doing legal business in an unrestricted (legal) location.

lonestar wrote:i for one know I spend every $$ i make in the same community I live and pay taxes.

Do we plan to ban businesses whose owners don't live in BR, and-or would you suggest en-masse forensic accountings of all BR businesses to insure that they're not pulling a "Kettle Black"?

lonestar wrote:and since when is standing on a street corner and getting hit with a halal cart a crime (while standing and talking to Vincent Gentile). When did L* become a bully.

From the story: "[S]everal merchants, including Lone Star Bar owner Tony Gentile — a longtime critic of Kassen’s cart — created a human barricade, preventing him from backing in"; and
"A police source said that Middle Eastern’s permits are in order, so, if any charges were filed, Gentile would have been taken away in handcuffs since he was preventing a permitted merchant from doing business on a city sidewalk."

lonestar wrote:Most of my customers DO NOT eat street meat, except maybe the asshats at the end of the night to drunk to realize they are eating mystery meat off the street.

Wait -- so those drunks come from your place?

lonestar wrote:what is halal meat anyway? do they cut the necks of these lambs and chickens and let them bleed out unhumanely as reported?

Have you examined kosher slaughter, too? Are you saying that this protest is really about animal rights v. halal/kashrut laws? Will it expand to examine slaughterhouse practice by all BR meat sources? This could really get out of hand.

C'mon -- this overkill is NOT doing you any favors.

by **maria k** » 04 Apr 2012, 13:31

Can't believe anyone would eat from those carts anyway. Just plain gross imo.

by **daniele831** » 04 Apr 2012, 13:41

McDonald's is gross too, but they're both legal.

by **Observateur** » 04 Apr 2012, 13:46

maria k wrote:Can't believe anyone would eat from those carts anyway. Just plain gross imo.

So issue-avoidance is the next tactic in this campaign?

imo, bullying is gross ... and if it's OK for one group to do, then it's OK for everyone, right? Legality means nothing.

by **A_Malicous_Duck** » 04 Apr 2012, 13:48

Quack quack quack

[The funny thing is if their wasn't a demand for them in the community they'd quickly go out of business]

by **lonestar** » 04 Apr 2012, 14:12

From the story: "[S]everal merchants, including Lone Star Bar owner Tony Gentile — a longtime critic of Kassen’s cart — created a human barricade, preventing him from backing in"; and
"A police source said that Middle Eastern’s permits are in order, so, if any charges were filed, Gentile would have been taken away in handcuffs since he was preventing a permitted merchant from doing business on a city sidewalk."

WERE YOU THERE?

didn't think so

i have no idea what your reference to kettle black means. ????>???? i just made a statement, doubtful that the street vendor spends his cash in this community (just saying)

how about a vendor selling peanuts on 3rd ave., those guys have permits. you get the reference, just being an asshole seems to me OBSERVATEUER

by **lonestar** » 04 Apr 2012, 14:15

Quack quack quack

[The funny thing is if their wasn't a demand for them in the community they'd quickly go out of business]
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not true, the community board does not want them but again afraid to made a statement out of fear (being PC)
the 86st BID does not want them. 5th Ave. BID does not want them either.

and the customer who was beaten while waiting on line surely does not want them around, in fact he hasn't been around at all.

by **BacciMia** » 04 Apr 2012, 14:23

there's surely a huge demand though. the lines are outrageous.

by **VirginiaDave** » 04 Apr 2012, 14:31

When you're young, dumb, drunk and broke, cheap street meat is a great option.

by **BacciMia** » 04 Apr 2012, 14:37

i've seen people from all walks of life eat from there, so that knocks your thought out of the park.

by **maria k** » 04 Apr 2012, 14:49

Wonder where new york city falls on the fattest cities in America list? Sounds like some have more issues or agendas against l===star than the food carts. Maybe not enough pay back drinks or drink specials. :?:

/at least they don't get involved in the child labor slavery issues.

by **Observateur** » 04 Apr 2012, 14:53

lonestar wrote:
From the story: "[S]everal merchants, including Lone Star Bar owner Tony Gentile — a longtime critic of Kassen’s cart — created a human barricade, preventing him from backing in"; and
"A police source said that Middle Eastern’s permits are in order, so, if any charges were filed, Gentile would have been taken away in handcuffs since he was preventing a permitted merchant from doing business on a city sidewalk."

WERE YOU THERE?

didn't think so

Have you complained that the police lied?

lonestar wrote:i have no idea what your reference to kettle black means. ????>????

How did you miss that? See http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/34 ... 06_bk.html

lonestar wrote:i just made a statement, doubtful that the street vendor spends his cash in this community (just saying)

Most of us base purchases on what-we-want and on other factors -- not on where the owners live or what they spend locally. In fact, I find that "just saying" a bit creepy when it's used as ammo to block a licensed food vendor. Should I start vetting everyone I buy from? Avoid places whose owners/employees live in Queens or Bensonhurst or Sunset Park?

lonestar wrote:how about a vendor selling peanuts on 3rd ave., those guys have permits. you get the reference, just being an asshole seems to me OBSERVATEUER

Again: You are not doing yourself/ your cause any good.

by **Observateur** » 04 Apr 2012, 15:12

maria k wrote:Wonder where new york city falls on the fattest cities in America list? Sounds like some have more issues or agendas against l===star than the food carts. Maybe not enough pay back drinks or drink specials.

The issue is the opponents' actions/attitudes. It wouldn't matter who or which business was being loudest about it. (And fyi, I have no beef with Lonestar and know it only as a passerby.)

How much farther afield do you plan to go? I thought this was about objections re: a legal food cart's location. You've covered illegal street vendors, "gross" food and imagined personal tiffs v. a bar.

by **lonestar** » 04 Apr 2012, 15:16

[quote]Again: You are not doing yourself/ your cause any good.Observateur
Point taken.

Side Note: the media (TV and print) always spin the story to get the most viewers.

getting hit by a street vendor (dramatics admitted) but funny nonetheless. Still don't get the Kettle reference, going back to read the article. But I am apprised of all current events in Bay Ridge and most other "watering holes"

by **Observateur** » 04 Apr 2012, 15:34

Years ago a tiny 80-year-old bag lady mugged a (very big) coworker of mine pre-9 am, outside of Grand Central. That was another case of "Only-in-NY" funny.

by **cherryblossom** » 04 Apr 2012, 17:09

VirginiaDave wrote:When you're young, dumb, drunk and broke, cheap street meat is a great option.

/no homo

by **queenoftheclick** » 04 Apr 2012, 17:58

oh no

by **BacciMia** » 04 Apr 2012, 18:05

wow, did you read the comment section?

by **cherryblossom** » 04 Apr 2012, 18:12

Hmm, if the locals are planning on harrassing Tony, I guess this means I have to make alternate plans on where to take my niece for her 20th birthday.

by **BacciMia** » 04 Apr 2012, 18:13

burger king?

by **cherryblossom** » 04 Apr 2012, 18:20

LMAO... I do hear they're neighborhood approved!

by **bklyngirl** » 04 Apr 2012, 19:16

VirginiaDave wrote:
bklyngirl wrote:hmm from what I've read here, many don't like the food carts...but they don't like to see someone bullied either. Particularly when lame excuses are given, such as: "it attracts rowdy drunks" -- that one still has me laughing. gee where did those drunk people stumble out of?

Most bars in Bay Ridge.

In particular the bars closest to that food cart, which would be.... wait for it.... Lonestar and Wicked Monk

by **bklyngirl** » 04 Apr 2012, 19:17

lonestar wrote:4. there has been no bullying, in fact it's the street vendor is the bully, never once did one store-owners use bully tactics. PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS STATEMENT!

Someone sneaking around at 4am to illegally install benches is kinda low, and I think most would consider creating a human barricade to block someone as being a form of bullying. But hey maybe that's just me. :roll:

Personally I find those food carts disgusting and would never buy meat off the street, but I think people should take legal avenues to make changes if they want those carts gone.

by **BacciMia** » 04 Apr 2012, 19:40

besides the vermin and trouble the carts may attract, i wonder how many ppl have actually gotten sick off these carts. i've tasted their food from friends (which some swear by) and it was very fresh just too spicy for me (heartburn city). i'm sure there are worse or on par conditions in some of the "finer" restaurants. also, who hasn't in their day eaten a hot dog or a knish from a (concession) stand? if anybody has a link to the stand's FB page, please post it!

by **naked rev. trish** » 04 Apr 2012, 19:50

not true, the community board does not want them but again afraid to made a statement out of fear (being PC)
the 86st BID does not want them. 5th Ave. BID does not want them either.

Park Slope can ban ice cream carts cause it makes the babies cry, but Bay Ridge can't .......

by **Observateur** » 04 Apr 2012, 19:54

naked rev. trish wrote:
not true, the community board does not want them but again afraid to made a statement out of fear (being PC)
the 86st BID does not want them. 5th Ave. BID does not want them either.

Park Slope can ban ice cream carts cause it makes the babies cry, but Bay Ridge can't .......

See
http://www.parkslopeparents.com/index.p ... Itemid=711

by **BacciMia** » 04 Apr 2012, 19:58

sounds like an Onion article.

by **naked rev. trish** » 04 Apr 2012, 19:58

no thanks. I've heard and seen enough.

by **Observateur** » 04 Apr 2012, 20:07

BacciMia wrote:sounds like an Onion article.

Tongue-in-cheek.

by **BacciMia** » 04 Apr 2012, 20:09

yerp, kinda funny, especially about the part that the kids are prepping for their kindergarten entry interviews or whatever.

by **VirginiaDave** » 04 Apr 2012, 21:12

Observateur wrote:
BacciMia wrote:sounds like an Onion article.

Tongue-in-cheek.

Mockery is the sincerest form of honesty.

by **86er** » 05 Apr 2012, 00:17

lonestar wrote:i never said I owned the corner -- WAKE UP!

Really? Because you sure act like you think you do! In fact, it seems like you're the big sidewalk sheriff of 5th Ave.
How would you like if someone came and put a bench in front of the door to your abomination of an establishment.

lonestar wrote:I can't wait for the knock-off vendors to set up shop somewhere on 3rd ave. i understand this neighborhood is changing and is diversified ethnically speaking. Not the issue, stay on track here.

Actually, I think the knockoffs are already on 86th St near to the train entrance. But nobody cares.

lonestar wrote:i for one know I spend every $$ i make in the same community I live and pay taxes.

Maybe you should leave the community a little bit. Might do you some good. I work in Manhattan, but then come home and spend money in Bay Ridge. I guess I'm not better than the food cart guys.

lonestar wrote:what is halal meat anyway? do they cut the necks of these lambs and chickens and let them bleed out unhumanely as reported?

Wow, you really are as ignorant as you sound. I've eaten at your place once and was overwhelmed by the grease and the drunk asshats that populate your establishment. I DARE YOU to post all of your suppliers. All of that crap is mass-produced, factory-farmed, genetically modified, mutant meat/vegetables similar to what I could buy in the frozen aisle at Costco.

by **VirginiaDave** » 05 Apr 2012, 06:34

The lesson is clear. If you own a business, do not post on BRT. Unless you pick up and move that business out of town every day.

by **Ellen** » 05 Apr 2012, 08:17

VirginiaDave wrote:The lesson is clear. If you own a business, do not post on BRT. Unless you pick up and move that business out of town every day.

I don't agree with that. I do not think it makes any difference if you own business or not, but if you are in the wrong it will be pointed out. Just as you point out to bacci that she ate her chips in a restaurant. If you come here and spread your hypocrisy it will be picked on, and it happens to everyone here.

by **BacciMia** » 05 Apr 2012, 09:33

lol, ellen. we are all open to criticism! nobody is invincible. we make ourselves victims here by exposing things about ourselves. at the end of the day, i don't give a shite what most people here have to say. just like ppl will continue going to the cart and like others will continue going to lone star. nobody's changing anybody's mind here

by **bklyn9** » 05 Apr 2012, 09:52

only cuz i have a friend in DOH...
supposedly they are working to put a cart like that near shore Rd for the summer

by **lonestar** » 05 Apr 2012, 10:04

Maybe you should leave the community a little bit. Might do you some good. I work in Manhattan, but then come home and spend money in Bay Ridge. I guess I'm not better than the food cart guys.

umm, excuse me but we never met, I work in Manhattan and have been for over 27 years, I buy my coffee from a guy in a cart three times a week and my fruit from some nice ladies in a street cart as well.

Really? Because you sure act like you think you do! In fact, it seems like you're the big sidewalk sheriff of 5th Ave.
How would you like if someone came and put a bench in front of the door to your abomination of an establishment.

my establishment is an abomination: YAWN, i will succeed in spite of people like you. feeling something a little personal here, not surprisingly.

Actually, I think the knockoffs are already on 86th St near to the train entrance. But nobody cares.

I DON'T CARE, i walk past them everyday in the city.

Wow, you really are as ignorant as you sound. I've eaten at your place once and was overwhelmed by the grease and the drunk asshats that populate your establishment. I DARE YOU to post all of your suppliers. All of that crap is mass-produced, factory-farmed, genetically modified, mutant meat/vegetables similar to what I could buy in the frozen aisle at Costco.86er

let's see Patty's Meat Market supplies my meat and Jetro for everything else -- there you go ASSHAT! i do not have a membership at Costco, 86er, enjoy your day!

by **bklyn9** » 05 Apr 2012, 10:06

people have complained inside the citibank on the corner about this guy too. when it rains they will eat the food in the lobby or if its cold @ night

by **lonestar** » 05 Apr 2012, 10:10

only cuz i have a friend in DOH...
supposedly they are working to put a cart like that near shore Rd for the summer

WHO IS THEY?

this guy from 86 will need a new corner soon

by **bklyn9** » 05 Apr 2012, 10:24

apparently another halal type cart.
apparently the rationale is if you can park an ice cream truck on shore you can park one of those too.
Yea that guy on fifth isnt friendly.
I understand he is tryingto make $$ but the ppl who hang out by his cart which i get he has no control over are the nastiest assh..les ever. ,y mom said excuse me and they said Fu.k you.

by **86er** » 05 Apr 2012, 10:26

lonestar wrote:umm, excuse me but we never met, I work in Manhattan and have been for over 27 years, I buy my coffee from a guy in a cart three times a week and my fruit from some nice ladies in a street cart as well.

Oh so you DON'T spend every $$$ you earn in Bay Ridge like mentioned in your previous post? I guarantee that you could buy coffee from a brick & mortar shop within walking distance of any coffee cart in Manhattan. So why do you support these coffee carts and not support the food cart near L*?

Really? Because you sure act like you think you do! In fact, it seems like you're the big sidewalk sheriff of 5th Ave.
How would you like if someone came and put a bench in front of the door to your abomination of an establishment.

my establishment is an abomination: YAWN, i will succeed in spite of people like you. feeling something a little personal here, not surprisingly.

If by serving unhealthy food & inflated booze prices is success, you are already there. And if you believe in bullying and have an extreme double standard by anyone else that's trying to make a buck - you are a champion.

Actually, I think the knockoffs are already on 86th St near to the train entrance. But nobody cares.

I DON'T CARE, i walk past them everyday in the city.

let's see Patty's Meat Market supplies my meat and Jetro for everything else -- there you go ASSHAT! i do not have a membership at Costco, 86er, enjoy your day!

Trace it back from Patty's or Jetro's and you'll see it's pretty scary and disgusting. Of course, you don't care that much as you're probably galavanting about Manhattan drinking coffee from coffee carts and figuring out how best to block the food carts in Bay Ridge.

by **VirginiaDave** » 05 Apr 2012, 10:43

86er, you care just a little too much for me to think you're only someone with an opinion. What stake do you have in the halal cart? You get free kabobs or something?

by **Laura** » 05 Apr 2012, 10:55

By the way, this is halal. Seems quite pragmatic to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal

by **sunshine** » 05 Apr 2012, 11:07

I've been a lurker for some time, and relatively new to the neighborhood. Having followed this closely, I had to chime in with my 2 cents.

I have been to the halal cart. I have been to Lonestar. I'm what some call a "foodie" and I work in the food industry/small business in another Brooklyn neighborhood.

That being said, I plan on not supporting Lonestar any more. I'm disgusted by the behavior by the owner - food carts are everywhere. They need to get over it. Or open one of their own if they're so jealous. But how DARE they try to hurt someone who is doing a legal business and being responsible about it.

As any bar owner would know, you can not be responsible for the actions of your patrons. Same goes for restaurant/food cart owners. In my experience in the neighborhood, nobody has ever shouted, what could be borderline sexual harrassment, at me when walking past the Halal carts at night. I wish I could say the same about most of the bars in the neighborhood (yes, even Lonestar).

I'm actually quite repulsed by this story - the benches, the human barricade, the politics - and therefore will not give a single cent of my hard-earned income at Lonestar. However, a shawarma sounds delicious about now....

by **lonestar** » 05 Apr 2012, 11:12

If by serving unhealthy food & inflated booze prices is success, you are already there. And if you believe in bullying and have an extreme double standard by anyone else that's trying to make a buck - you are a champion.

really? cause our prices are by far the lowest in comparison to other similar establishments.
but how would you know, apparently you like to frequent hookah establishments.

cherryblossom wrote:
But it's now beyond moving benches.

what exactly are you talking about,

I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, WHERE DOES THE BULLY REFERENCE COME INTO THIS SITUATION.

again the situation is about regulation at the very least.

And before the food cart was there, Pizza Wagon attracted rowdy drunks who polluted the sidewalks ...gee wonder why nobody was complaining then.
It's a bit weird to have a bar owner complain about drunks near a no-alcohol halal cart. Wouldn't it be more effective to shut down the bars these drunks came from and the delis that sold them beer?

Pizza Wagon closes by 2:00 am, never stayed open later, street meat guy is still there at 4:45 am when we are locking the doors to L*.

It's a bit weird to have a bar owner complain about drunks near a no-alcohol halal cart.

-- wrong, I said my customers were assaulted on the street meat line

Well, I'd rather those people work in their cart than collect unemployment.

how would an immigrant collect unemployment -- what kind of statement is that, cause I have an ex-husband who needs a job, but doubtful he could get one in a food cart.

As I've said before, I've never eaten from those Carts, but I may just have to go get some of their food and stand in front of L* eating it.

Please do. Your invited.
and p.s., I am a she not a he, pay attention

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