I'm hearing stories in the neighborhood that there's a house on 93rd between 3rd and 4th Ave (about 3 blocks from me) that's become quite the problem in the neighborhood. Everyone's talking about the fighting and drug deals going down in the driveway of this house. I know which house it is because I walk by it on my way to the subway, but I don't see anything going on at that time of day...so is it truth or rumors? And if it is true, then how come the cops haven't done anything yet?

LOL, Matt...

Guys,

You have to call Brooklyn South Vice in addition to the Precinct.

The Precinct will not do anything without getting some pressure from the BS task force, or 1PP.

If there are any loud disturbances, fights or noise complaints call 911 and 311 for the noise stuff ASAP - the cops will respond.

But if youre not 911 or 311 anything nothign is showing up on their grid.

Why people dont use 911 and 311 is beyond me, instead they hem and haw about somethign until someone actually does get killed.

If theres a fight, even between 2 people 911, tell them it's getting out of contorl and their might be a weapon.

when you call 311 they give you a reference number. You should then be able to call back and find out the resolution of your complaint -- I suspect since they did transfer you to 911 that you went out of their system. Couldn't find any listing specific to Bklyn South Vice but you can try NYPD Switchboard: 646-610-5000 and see if they give you any info.

wow! is that what it looks like from the backyard?! It looks nothing like that from the front! If you didn't live in the neighborhood and just happened to be walking by, you would never know from the front of the house that this kind of situation is going on.

Posted By: bklyngirl911 is supposed to be for emergencies only, and I didn't consider a loud-mouth yelling and screaming at 3am to be an "emergency", just a major annoyance (at the time I didn't know that there was a drug situation going on with this house...

You have to lie sometimes, that's really what it comes down to.

If you hear two people yelling, you can assume it's a fight, say there are unknown participants, screaming etc... and that it's escalating.

Follow it up by calling 311, the noise complaint will immediately register at the precinct, just as the 911 call does.

I understand why people are reticent when it comes to using 911, but the bottom line is, if you know there’s a serious public safety problem, better to embellish a shouting match to get the cops to respond than to wiat until someone actually gets seriously hurt.

It's your tax dollars people.

Call Brooklyn South Vice as well, they'll get the precinct to act.

And GO TO THE 68th PRECINCT COMMUNITY COUNCIL MEETINGS!

You also might want to call your local city councilman, Vincent Gentile, (718) 748-5200.

A few years ago, we had problems with certain jerks constantly firing off illegal fireworks in the neighborhood. Even a visit to the 68th Precinct's monthly community meeting was useless in resolving this problem. A call to Vince Gentile's office netted results, however. The cops materialized shortly afterwards to confiscate the M80's, etc.

Posted By: Johnhmm, maybe parker just posted a random crackhouse shot then.. got me

Seems odd that someone would post a random shot and say it's that house...but the picture appears to be a one story building and the house we're talking about is a two-story house, so it's definitely not the main house...but I wonder if that pic is a shed or something out in the back, don't know.

Trish,

I'm trying to get hold of some old contacts in local news, some of them are ex-cops, who might throw some light on the problem and SHAME our public officials into doing something.

I don't know who the new Precinct commander is, so I'm not going to comment on how seriously he takes the Comunity Coucil Meetings, but if he's anything like the guy that just left, we got our work cut out for us.

I doubt the cops will do anything about it since the people who live there are white.

Posted By: VinnieBombootzIt is bad enough the Prince Hotel is on that block

What's wrong with the Prince Hotel?

I just joined up on this site and its nice to see that there are still some folks who live here looking to take action against the filth thats moving in to ur neighborhood. Its a shame that the glut of apartments for rent is allwoing all types of crack fiends and prostitutes to move in.

The story with the house is that the parents owned like two building and when they died the kids sold them the next day all cash and kep the houses on the middle of the block. Guess they have been sending their money on crack ever since.

I heard about that, but the details were sketchy. Do you know what happened?

Just sit and watch teh hotel in the afternoon when the hooker get dropped off by drivers and you will see. Also in response to em he is how it went down

Valet had sign in street and cop came up to give ticket. Valet kid ripped up the ticken ( which he had the right to do) Next thing you know there are like ten cops on teh scene. And if you looked down the block on teh side of kettle black you could see them beating the crap out of this poor kid.

People tried to approach the officers and they said that he assulted one of the cops which is BS cause no one in tehior right mnd start a fist fight with a guy carrying a glock. I would love to see if anyone has video or camera phone pictures of the event

what debates?

yep that's the house...sad that someone in the family once planted a garden as a memorial (there's a sign that says "in memory of...") and then turned the house into a drug den.

When calling 911, I wouldn't go embellishing too much about the situation. Depending on how those calls are relayed to the cops in the field, it could be dangerous for them to go into something where they think one thing and something completely different is going on. For instance, if you say that someone has a weapon, it may mean that 3 or 4 cars will all head over there with their lights and sirens going, which just increases the odds that they will be involved in an accident on the way. Think it doesn't happen? It does.

I've replied to a few discussions already about drug sales in Bay Ridge. But generally, this is what I'd do (and I might, this is a few blocks from my girlfriends apartment).

Call the 68th Precinct and ask to speak with someone in Community Affairs. Express your concerns to them and ask who you need to speak to in order to get this problem solved. This will most likely lead to a message for the Special Projects supervisor. But, in addition to that, ask if there are any cops who are particularly active who may take an interest in this; the anti-crime team or even some bright, active patrol officers. Leave them your name and phone number because they may want to call you and ask for details; times people are showing up or how the deals are being made (from cars or walking). You aren't going to have to point anyone out in court, because the police are able to observe everything on their own, so I really wouldnt be worried about your cooperation getting you into any trouble with the dealers.

If you dont seem to be getting any attention after a week or two I'd start going to the Community Council meetings or scheduling an appointment to speak with the Community Affairs supervisor in the precinct. You'd be surprised how much cooperation you'd get when they are able to put a face with the complaint.

Keep calling 911 whenever you hear fighting or even to report drug sales. Give descriptions of people as accurately as possible and, if possible state where they are keeping the drugs. For instance, if you see them buy something and put it in their right pocket, tell the operator that. The more specifics you are able to tell them, the more credence your call has.

Posted By: JabsCall the 68th Precinct and ask to speak with someone in Community Affairs. Express your concerns to them and ask who you need to speak to in order to get this problem solved. This will most likely lead to a message for the Special Projects supervisor.

Nobody answers the phone in Community Affairs...so can't really follow through with the next steps you mention if you can't get beyond step 1...what do you have to say about that?

Posted By: JabsI've replied to a few discussions already about drug sales in Bay Ridge. But generally, this is what I'd do (and I might, this is a few blocks from my girlfriends apartment).

Based on your posts, you sound like you are in law enforcement in some capacity...and you mentioned that your girlfriend lives in the neighborhood...so have you tried to contact anyone yet?

Jabs, thank you. Keep up (what im sure is) the good work.

credit:alwaysaNYer

I know this thread is about drugs being sold at this house but, as many have stated on this board, what drew attention to this house in the first place was all the screaming and yelling. So an article in the bay ridge courier caught my attention - the article was about dyker heights residents who are frustrated by nighttime noise coming from a nearby home, and it was brought up at an october community board 10 meeting. One of the statements made by the crowd: "There’s a loophole in enforcement, between the law and who comes and when they come. 911 sends you to 311. 311 recommends exaggerating it, but when the cops find out it’s a noise scenario, it’s de-prioritized." Josephine Beckmann, CB 10’s district manager, said in a subsequent interview that the board is beginning fact-finding to determine what can be done to ease residential noise situations, and will be holding a committee meeting later this month on the issue. "It’s a tough one," she acknowledged. "Enforcement becomes a low priority with the Police Department. They go, see it’s a family, and leave."

Obviously this situation is very different from the dyker heights complaints in that we're talking about a drug house, but it's similar in that the only time people are calling 911 or 311 is when there's a loud disturbance. You can't call 311 and just report a drug house - they tell you call back when something is in progress. Well unless you're staking out the house, LOL, the only time you'll know anything is in progress is when there's a loud fight. And just because they're fighting doesn't mean any drug sales are taking place at the time; so even if the cops show up, it will probably be a similar scenario as Beckmann stated: "They go, see it's a family, and leave." So how do you go about getting someone to look into the drug sales going on at this house? cause it seems that using the noise disturbance as a start will get you nowhere.

p.s.: Has anyone gotten through to Community Affairs (as Jabs recommended)? I tried calling and no one ever answered.

I've been extremely busy at work lately. But I did forward information to some officers in the 68 pct as well as Brooklyn South Narcotics.

In my opinion, 311 is great if you have a streetlight out or need some other city services. Other than that, I'd be using 911 when I see suspicious people mulling around in front of their/your house (if it looks like they are there to buy or use drugs), or whenever there is a loud argument or fight outside.

I may have posted this before, maybe in another thread, but you will probably get more assistance by going to the 68 pct stationhouse and asking to talk to someone about it. If you get the feeling that you are going nowhere with the officer at reception (if it is an officer), ask to speak to the sergeant or lieutenant. Ask if there are any units or cops in the precinct that you could speak with. Get the name of whatever sergeant is in charge of the unit and ask if you can make an appointment to see them.

I'd suggest 5:00 - 5:30pm. In my precinct that is when the Conditions team begins their late tour. The Conditions team, by assignment deals with quality of life offenses, which is what we are talking about here. At least in my precinct; YMMV.

Like I've said, I've made some calls, we'll see how far that goes. But I really suggest that you visit the precinct if you feel like your complaints are falling on deaf ears.

yes Jabs, thank you for your interest and assistance. Please let us know if you hear anything. Thanks!

Hey, just as an FYI (and particularly for Jabs)...

There have been two deaths in a one block radius up here. One was definitely an overdose and the other is suspect, but the toxicology is still pending (to my knowledge).

If the tox comes back positive, then that could indicate that some bad stuff has hit the streets. One OD, I could chalk it up to coincidence...two within two weeks, less of a coincidence...